Originally Posted by
PeterLYoung
Thanks for your comments regarding which I do understand where you are coming from, but I feel I must answer from my viewpoint:
Actually I am in conversation with a Grubb Group at Veteran Cycle Club. I have been getting advice from a researcher on Grubb Cycles. We can all have our opinions and Grubbs are hard to find real detail of frame/bike history.
Anyway it seems from the date, serial number and frame angles my Grubb is a 'Meteor' which was sold either frame only or as a complete bike. I am reliably informed the Grubbs never had pump lugs in the location on my frame and those on mine were later added, I was advised to remove them, which I was going to do anyway.
I hate to disagree with you but it is not being restored as a 1970's boring bike.
Upon inspection after purchase the frame had the following defects:
1) Bow in the Cross Bar (top Tube). I have had it replaced.
2) Drive side Chain Stay was damaged beyond repair. I have had a pair of new chain stays brazed in to the frame.
3) All the equipment on the bike was in very poor state (see photo) plus front and rear brakes were not the same, nor were the rims on the wheels, it had a shimano gear changer.
I doubt many people would spend the cost I have incurred to repair these items. Just the Frame repair and restoration by Mercian is costing nearly £1,400.00. Building a set of Campagnolo early 1960's components plus a pair of 27" wheels is near £2000.00.
I could have bought a 'High Tech' Road bike for the money I have spent. The only deviation from the frames original spec is the Front Changer Campag Lever Boss and Cable Stop. These are mods that can be reversed.
My view is I have at least saved a frame that would otherwise have been scrapped, I was the only person at the auction who bid on it as it was in such a poor state. My view is I will have made the bike desirable and as I am almost 70 years of age my hope is it will go to a good home when I pass on.
Best regards
PeterLYoung
Thanks for the further information (much of which you also gave me in the other thread).
I was under the impression the frame (not the components, which are, I agree, junk) was in original condition aside from being a bit decrepit; so if that was not the case, then that changes things. So I agree, once a frame has been modified, or damaged to the point that major surgery is required, then whatever value that accrues from "originality" has already been lost. The frame becomes a blank canvas, from which you can create what you think it was originally, or whatever you want.
Thanks for indulging me this (totally unnecessary) debate! I will now look on your project a bit more cheerfully