Originally Posted by raria

I think that's where people will disagree with you.

All the endurance bikes put me upright and the ''proper" race bikes put me in a flat back position.

ROLObikes website puts it nicely

". As the ratio decreases, the reach increases relative to the stack so the rider becomes increasingly stretched out on the bike: the position is increasingly aggressive and aerodynamic. Conversely, as the ratio increases, the bike becomes more relaxed and the rider’s position is more upright."

As I've mentioned before and put a link in an earlier post in, the ratio of stack to reach varies from close to 1.6 for endurance bikes to close to 1.4 for race bikes.