After all good suggestions and insight I went with the Topeak Explorer. I thought just about all mentioned in this thread would work for me so I went to my LBS with the list and decided I'd look at what they had and if something was in stock that was on my list, I'd probably get it. That's what happened. He had the Topeak and another brand. He showed me his bike with the Topeak on it and how the bags attach etc. and I got it.

He's all out of bags for sale but I'm going to pick out the right size and give him a call to order.

Thanks to everybody for helping out, maybe if someone else is looking in the next few months this information will still be relevant to them.

https://www.topeak.com/us/en/product...c)-(w-o-spring)