Originally Posted by Chipcom
Originally Posted by Helmet Head
Who said [a shopping cart] couldn't [be considered a vehicle]?
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Originally Posted by Helmet Head
Since there are no roads in grocery stores, the ROTR do not apply by definition, and so it is non-vehicular to operate a bicycle, or a shopping cart for that matter, in a grocery store. Whether you keep the right or the left of the shopping aisle, you're not operating according to the rules of the road, so you're not being vehicular.
No where in that quote am I saying a shopping cart is not a vehicle.
Again, what determines "vehicular" - in the only sense of the word that makes sense to me in terms of "vehicular cycling" - is behavior, specifically, behavior that is consistent with the vrotr.
Whether it's a shopping cart or a car being driven down a grocery store
aisle - it's not vehicular, because doing so is non-vehicular.
If an ambulance driver drives on the wrong side of the road and runs a red light with sirens blaring, that behavior is also non-vehicular, even though not only is he driving a vehicle, but he is not breaking the law. He is violating the vrotr, he just happens to have a legal waiver to do so.
Whether a cyclist, ambulance driver or wheelchair user operates in a crosswalk or runs a red light, it's not vehicular (in the sense generally intended in the term vehicular cycling).
If you can't understand why an ambulance driver running a red light, or JRA using a wheelchair in a crosswalk, or Bruce cycling against traffic on the wrong side of the road, or Gene using a shopping court in an aisle, are all examples of non-vehicular behavior, then you can't understand what Forester and many others mean by vehicular cycling.