i love mine. it's green and stiff, not unlike an un-ripened banana. pics soon, hopefully tonite, as the build is 100% done minus track cranks. 130 bcd 105 road cranks for now. poopy, but the money is GONE. as for the beauty of the beast, they aint a lugged masterpiece, but they are not a fetish or whatever they are called either. those things are hideous looking.