Thanks again for the help. I currently ride a windsor bristol and commute about 16 miles a day on it. Comfort is fine all over but my neck seems to have issues, even on my commute. That's why I'm looking for more relaxed feel with a hybrid. I'm mostly concerned with heel clearance with panniers and bags with the non touring frames.also, most of the touring frames still look a bit aggressive and I have a feeling my neck would still have an issue.