Thanks, that is close to what I'm looking for but definitely need it a bit more relaxed/upright. How do the bars with that setup work for him?
He built up that bike almost four years ago, still using it so it clearly works for him. He volunteers time at a bike charity, but otherwise he is retired. He has built up on average at least one new bike every two years, so if he was unhappy he would have sold off the frame and built up something else.