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Originally Posted by djb
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XT

Seems to me from memory that Americans can find them online for 40,50 ish bucks

My take is that xt tends to have slightly better materials and or seals. I have both on bikes and older xt stuff, if greased and adjusted properly, last a good long time, with grease staying clean quite well.
Meh. If you've got a Phil on the front, why not get the maintenance free benefit of something similar on the rear?

If you can't afford a Phil Wood for the rear, shanabrook.jody, you can go with White Industries which is about $100 cheaper than a Phil but not as easy to work on. I my experience and opinion, the Whites are smoother and much lighter but they aren't as simple to remove and replace bearings. On the upside, I haven't had to replace bearings in a Phil or White with over 20,000 miles of use for the former and 10,000 miles for the latter.

You can also go with a Velo Orange Grand Cru which is about $300 cheaper than the Phil. Not US made but it seems simpler even than the Phils to disassemble.

Finally, however, the economy of the Phils is better than you think. I have Phils that are more than 10 years old, have 20,000 issue (and maintenance) free miles on them and I suspect that they can go another 20 to 40 years before I'd have to replace them. Even at only 10 years old, they have cost me $40 per year which is pretty cheap. At 50 years old, they will have cost me $10 per year.
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