and still nothing. I think my 1/2 inch breaker bar is going to break before it breaks free. Time for the chisel and hammer method to give it a couple of shocks to see if it brakes free that way. IF it doesnt.......its likely a lost cause. One last attempt after that might be to weld a large nut on the steel part of the fixed cup and try it that way but im not holding out much hope with that method. Wish me luck.