Originally Posted by patc
Haven't we already done that?!?
Apparently, we are not finished.
I voted to move it because it is a discernable ideological position. We've already proven that we can talk about both safety and advocacy without envoking the "VC position." The methods of vehicular cycling are completely separate from the politics of its advocacy, and those politics are mostly ideological and broad based rather than practical and locally based. There is a definite, discernable agenda to the VC ideologues, no matter what their intentions; and that agenda is to convince people through any means necessary. The element of pursuasion should not be on this forum.
That said, I doubt we can eliminate the VC discussion, since any effort to ban it will bring up arguments about the definition of "VC" from the usual suspects. Like banning porn, I'd suspect. The ol' "know it when I see it, but cannot define it" problem.
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