Originally Posted by noodle soup

well there’s no point in me trying to compare elevation .

AZ has some hilly areas, but I need to ride at least 25 miles to get there. It’s quite frustrating for me, because that’s what I really enjoy doing. If I ride every little hill in my area, I might get 1000’ of climbing on a 35 mile ride, but it would involve getting into secured areas that are all dead ends.