if all of the other factors come into play, ie shot properly, developed properly, printed properly.

again, as an ex long time professional black and white developer and printer, like anything in life, lots of attention to detail and all the factors I mentioned come into play. Even if I give the greatest negative to someone who is a so so printer, compared to a printer who has lots of experience and is a great printer, the final results on paper will be completely different.

but lets face it, already back in the day, really good b+w people were sort of rare, and nowadays its kinda like finding a dinosaur.