Originally Posted by khutch

We know different folks then I suppose, or work in different industries.

Mainland Chinese factories are capable of making products at as high a quality level as any in the world. If you source a product from the PRC you have to be careful who you choose to make it and you have to watch them carefully just as you would with any factory in any country. I have no idea where any particular bicycle brand gets its various models but I do know that when someone says "China" it is unclear what they mean unless you ask for clarification.