I agree that even gloves advertised as waterproof aren't necessarily good. bought a pair of waterproof gloves cpl years ago. sure they are waterproof but my hands get so wet from the inside that if I remove them, the inside is sticky & I can't get them back in, or it's difficult. last yr was really happy w Pearl Izumi lobster gloves (really happy) & another BF member showed his PI fingered gloves so I got a pair (can't wait to try them). looking forward to using them. but last yr (before getting the lobster gloves) I started using bar mitts for straight bar & even drop bar bikes after talking to a young lady at a red light who loved hers. they sure so help with drizzle & rain! kinda big a gooky looking, but if you don't mind how they look, it's like riding with an air BnB for your hands! happy hands & dry gloves! sometimes no gloves! or just glove liners. I way way too many options now, but what I don't have is cold wet hands