Originally Posted by
chas58
I know, its fun to analyze and criticize.I'm just sharing my experience.
- Tubeless works great for me
- Tire liners gave me a flat
- I don't bend my rims (I'm not a leisurely rider though).
Judging from your response, my biking is a lot more diverse than yours, so my experience is going to be a lot different. The negatives of tire liners may not bother you. Diversity is good, just don't expect everyone to have the same experience
I wasn’t necessarily “criticizing” as I was correcting misconceptions about mixtures...at least initially. I was sharing my experience as well, along with a sizable modicum of knowledge.
Bent rims aren’t because people are “leisurely riders”. The bent rims I’m talking about are from impacts against sharp edges that blip rims. Aggressive riders are much more likely to ride in ways that result in that kind of damage than “leisurely riders”.
And I’m not sure what you read that gave you the impression that
my bicycle experience is limited. I’ve been riding bikes of all kinds for roughly 40 years. I tour, mountain bike, commute, winter ride, ride recreationally and even mountain bike tour. I’m also a highly experienced bicycle mechanic who has volunteered Saturdays at my local co-op for 8 years. I also happen to be a research chemist who knows a bit about mixtures. How much more “diversity” do you want?
I also have been using tire liners for longer than I can remember...probably close to 30 years... and haven’t found them to many disadvantages. I’ve been using them with good results since long before tubeless was even a glimmer in Stan’s eye. I may have been using them since before there even was a Stan. In fact many, if not most, tires today have an integrated belt that is just a Mr. Tuffy under the tread. That’s even on many tubeless tires.
Originally Posted by
chas58
True. I think the tire liners work best if you are near or at your max pressure. For those who know better and run lower - the tire liners can cause problems - especially if you ride hard. The fatter the tire, the lower the pressure the harder you ride - the more likely you are to have problems with tire liners. Pump up a road or hybrid tire and ride it at <150 watts and you'll probably be fine.
Again, I don’t agree. My 30 years of experience with using them in mountain bike tires have been at 40 psi. That not a low as modern tubeless are run but it is no where near the max pressure. And, again, valve stems don’t get ripped off because of the tire liner. The liner may chafe the tube but it doesn’t cause cuts to valve stems. Those cuts are caused by the tire slipping on the rim and taking the tube with it.
Finally, stop with the implications about weak riders and inexperienced riders. If you don’t want to go with tubeless...which have their own limitations...tire liners are a very viable option against goat heads. As I pointed out, the same technology is place in a lot of tires including tubeless ready tires. The Mr. Tuffys just happen to not have to be thrown out when the tire wears out.