Originally Posted by Steely Dan

yeah, the pedestrian zones of those old medieval european cities are wonderful places to explore, but i wasn't talking about anything that extreme.

where i live in chicago we still have streets with cars, but there's a better balance to things compared to modern day suburban planning where everything is all car, CAR, CAR!!!!

when i want to go out to eat or run errands, i want to walk a block or two over to a neighborhood retail street that looks like this: https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9648...7i16384!8i8192

as opposed to getting in a car and driving to one that looks like this: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.0546...7i13312!8i6656

the first example (my neighborhood), though it allows for cars, is still walkable and human-scaled in a way that the second example just isn't.