I think i got it sorted out. I had the limit screw almost all the way out on the low end and with it clamped on in that way the whole cage would move around as it was then resting on one of the cross pins and all the play was comming from the hinge pins as it was resting there with no force. I brought my limit screw in until it just hit the spot its supposed to and then maybe a half turn more. the play was gone. I then took a straight edge to it and the chain and toed it just inboard and that allowed it to work properly. The big ring also works as expected. Lesson learned.