Eric- No deaths here. I'm comfy with my approach and understanding. Just wanting to add that to the discussion. I do try to do some qualifying to these types of things. We live in a shades of grey world with little hard edged drop offs (at least in frame building, riding is another topic) and I'm reluctant to place "must dos" or "have to or elses" when gaging the situation and more data is still needed. Hence my reference to how different riders and situations might see different solutions to the, otherwise, same tubing.

My reference to reinforcements being decorations was to be taken in the context of that past era. But I did extend the decisions made back then into the future with my comments of a lack of failures being common. Sorry if this was confusing. Andy