Originally Posted by
berlinonaut
Instead of going through the discussion about pricing once again it would probably be sufficient for those who want to start it to read through the thread from start - I highly doubt that there are any new arguments that have not already been mentioned in this thread already. The outcome of this discussion until now was btw. that there are basically three groups of people:
- group one believes Peter is mad, has no clue what he is doing, the whole thing is fake, the bike is way too cheap to become real and it never will.
- group two believes Peter may have been naive to a degree in the beginning but learned and learns his lesson and that - if the Helix will become reality - prices will have to go up
- group three believes Peter did his math and, while the Helix is cheap for a Ti-folder, it will work out and the price is the result of clever production and part of a marketing strategy and we defintively do not know enough about his business calculation to be able to judge.
Until now not one single person has changed it's group driven by the discussion about pricing in this thread as far as I can judge. So overall the discussion seems a bit pointless and it seems even more pointless to start it again from scratch. Worth noticing is for once that there seems to be no group that considers the Helix to be too expensive
and secondly that group one seems to loose the ground they are standing on, based on the latest news from Helix.
Berlinonaut, while I may or may not agreet with some of your posts, I think the groups section, while by no means incorrect, could be redefined a little, as follows:
- group one: hard headed business men/accountants who have seen this sort of thing before and judge the owner to be naive, has no clue about financial reality let alone manufacturing. The project is doomed, but the fire sale could be interesting.
- group two: speculators who believes the owner is naive but, assuming the bike appears, is worth mounting a takeover bid when the Helix becomes reality as the selling price will kill the company. They plan on buying the company, moving the production to Taiwan, and selling the bike at a more realistic price under their own brand name.
- group three: enthusiasts who know little about exconomics; aren't interested whether the project is viable or not nor marketing strategy, but, most importantly, believe. This goup comprises people who post here, the cycling enthusiasts.
Written with tongue in cheek, by the way, and a touch sadly, having worked with companies in all three groups, the best of which was the third.
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