Thread: Helix Update?
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Old 02-26-19 | 09:15 PM
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Bikes: Helix, Brompton, Rivendell, Salsa, and a Partridge in a Pear Tree

Sure... lighter is always better - nobody is going to say they enjoy schlepping heavy weights around - but...
  1. There's a lot of moaning and complaining how this titanium frame should be lighter and that the implication is that Helix has somehow screwed up in not making it lighter still. Why? The website lists the weights for each of the configuration, and the lightest configuration - 23 lbs - was to my recollection always the stated weight. There seems to be the implication that the marketing was false or misleading but the stated weight of the 10 speed configuration on the public website is 24.4 lbs. An actual user weighed it to be 25 lbs. This is a difference of a mere zero point six pounds, and this assumes there was no error in measurement. So, the bike weighs what it was stated to weigh. How exactly is this disappointing or misleading at this stage? You still find that too heavy? Fine - make sure you read the fine print and don't buy it. It clearly doesn't fit your specific needs. [EDIT: As is pointed out later, the KS campaign listed lighter weights. So be it. That the risk you take with KickStarter. It was prototype that was featured after all. The website clearly reflects more up to date information.]
  2. The weight is apparently comparable to a Ti-Brompton or some other folder, and maybe even a fraction heavier, so the Helix has missed the mark. Has it? Who said it was meant to be a direct replacement? What are the tradeoffs? Oh wait... it has 24" wheels, not 16" wheels. And it doesn't fold mid-frame, so that should offer structural advantages. Well, others don't fold mid-frame either. But the Helix offers (to be verified by actual owners) the most compact fold given its wheel size; others don't. And it folds without compromises - no taking the wheel off, no strapping things together. So what do we have in totality? A TWENTY FOUR inch wheeled bike - not a 16", not a 20" - that offers likely greater structural advantages AND can (so it is claimed) fold down to a form factor - and fold easily (again claimed) - that has yet to be achieved by any other folder of comparable wheel size.
  3. A titanium bike should be lighter - why? Maybe the fact that it is constructed out of titanium is what has allowed Helix to design in features (folding, safety, etc.) while still keeping the weight reasonable. What about the inverse alternative? Back when everybody was complaining about Helix being all smoke and mirrors, several comments stated Helix should just forget about the titanium alternative and just build the same design out of steel to get the damn bike to market. Let's say that happened. The bike would come in at several pounds heavier... and then I bet people would start complaining that Helix should offer a titanium version to save a few pounds. I'm going to paraphrase retrogrouch Grant Petersen: the obsession with weight savings is misplaced... a few pounds of weight reduction on a frame can reduce its integrity significantly; most people would be better off losing a few pounds off the engine (i.e., you, the rider).
  4. But every pound counts. Sure... but in practice, probably not as much as you think. I've hauled my Brompton on trains, packed into planes, and up and down stairs. Would it be nicer if it was a couple pounds lighter? Sure. BUT when compared to my backpack loaded with my laptop, files, lunch, water bottle, reference documents, etc., or my overnight bag with clothes, toiletries, blah blah blah... a savings of 2 to 3 lb would be less than 1% of the total weight (including me) that I'm moving. Not surprisingly, the reality is not quite as effortless as Brompton portrays on it shiny advertisements.
So, now that the bike is out in the wild... let the users document their experiences about how the bike works in totality. The perceived significance of a few pounds is not going to make or break the experience for those who felt the Helix fits their needs.

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