Originally Posted by
Raxel
They promised 20lbs for a SS bike and 21lbs for a 10-speed bike in the kickstarter. Here are what they have said:
"Helix was designed to go everywhere, whether it's the subway, the trunk of your car or a suitcase; it will be lifted often, so it must be lightweight."
"We've obsessed over every detail to make sure Helix is as light as possible without compromising everyday durability."
And it turned out 4 POUNDS heavier.
Well obviously it is as light as possible for Helix to make currently. Why on earth are you so obsessed with bullying a bike that you do have no stake in and not any interest of becoming a customer for as it seems in every aspect to be the opposite of what you want? You are not the only person in the world and obviously there seem to be some people that like the bike. What is your problem with that?
Originally Posted by
Raxel
No, its weight is on par with full steel brompton with internal gear. Ti-version and external geared version are much lighter.
Wheel size cannot be an excuse. Montague and Changebike are much lighter even with 27" wheels.
Interesting. Looking at the montague-lineup the bikes closest to the Helix characterwise are probably the
crosstown (rated at 28lbs but much cheaper than the Helix) and the
fit, rated at 26 lbs (but with more gears). Even their 2500$ top of the range
Paratrooper Elite is rated at 27 lbs. How would those (or any other bike from their stock lineup) be
"much lighter" than the Helix?
Originally Posted by
Raxel
Also Changebike has the EN 14766 certified, and Montague frames have proved themselves strong enough for mountain biking. Does helix frame have any?
The Helix has been ISO/EN certified and vastly overfulfilled all the tests as it has been outlined in this very thread numerous times. The question remains: Has your 2000$ frame and your 3600$ Brompton-clone that you built from it passed any of those tests? If not: how comes that you spent an amount of money that equals more than two Helix bikes on that bike if those tests are so important to you? Passing those tests is btw. mandantory if you want to legally sell bikes in most countries of the western world (and some of the eastern world, too
AFAIK). Ignoring those obviously safes a lot of money, time and effort, enables using shortcuts in production, avoiding quality management and my put the buyers at risk. Obviously one of the areas where the clones safe money and one aspect of many why they are able to sell for less money.