I really dont have too much to say here except that as a wrench i would ride all the bikes i built. The cf ones were usually pretty light but at the end of the day i rode a steel bike home and i liked it best. Of course i was slow and old. Now i am older and slower. My only real complaint about the usa cycling industry is that they dont consider bikes as transportation. This is due in large part to our car culture i guess. Ymmv.