The apples and oranges thing applies because people buy Brompton (and probably Helix) for the fold foremost. A tolerable ride is acceptable to get the fold. Just like people many pick Brompton over Bike Friday for the fold. Changebike seems like people would pick it for the ride with the added bonus of some folding capability. But with full sized tires it's not going to be chosen primarily for the fold. It would be a great choice to replace the mountain bike my son currently has to keep in his apartment's nasty basement because his roadie is already in his studio. No way he would take a traditional folding bike out to ride the kind of mountain tracks he prefers but Changebike could be a nice alternative that he could maybe find a space for in his closet. I've sent him the link, hadn't heard of this bike until now, so thanks for that.