I have a set of Sugino and a set of really old, can't remember the name of but they still work wrenches. You can still find these Suginos on "auction" sometimes. I clean them and put them back into case when I'm done, so they still look good - my other ones.. well I don't want a picture of those! For the amount of time I use them, what I have works fine for me. I used to work In a bike shop, so appreciate quality tools - but I also need to be reasonable about considering price for home-use tools.