I didn't see the thread as pointless. I thought the OP was relating an experience he saw as disturbing and asking what he might have done differently. I also understand why some would question the inclusion of race. I specifically chose not to mention the race of the perp who murdered someone on a rail/trail by my house (he happened to be white) because I didn't see it as relevant in a post on this forum. And, I do agree that this has taken over the thread. OTOH, if we can have a discussion about something that elevates our understanding of a significant issue and do it in a respectful way, I'm OK with that. Whether this is the appropriate place to do that I leave to others.