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Originally Posted by Mobile 155 View Post
Nothing you are complaining about is been presented as evidence. There are certain physical limitations the car free person has restricted themselves to and it is not societies job to cater to that. You have no car free examples of how to transit LA unified school district by bicycle if assigned to cover two schools 12 miles apart. It is not the employer’s fault you cannot fly like Superman.

Now back to the topic how can you suggest mass transit and buses in particular can address the issue of comfort, convenience and punctuality at a level like let’s say lyft or Uber could? Or yes a private car can. That is the problem and the only problem that must be addressed in why we as a society that have an affinity for punctuality feels about mass transit. Nothing about pay scales or employer policies or a desire for living close to the local 7/11 matters.
I made the same point twice, but as usual you avoid the points that don't work in your favor. All I said is that you are not bothered at all when/if a job requires driving as a requirement for employment, but you and others like you would complain if a job advertised car-ownership and/or debt as grounds for dismissal. You would then complain that people should be free to drive to work if that's their choice.

It may not be realistic enough to you to worry about people losing jobs and opportunities because they own and drive cars instead of using biking/transit, but it isn't that far-fetched that we could see a trend of debt as grounds for dismissal, in which case only people who own their vehicles outright without debt would be allowed to apply and/or remain employed. How many people would be able to afford to drive if they had to pay for their vehicle in full without a loan or term-payment contract?

Originally Posted by FiftySix View Post

As long as all that info is presented up front, either in a job listing or at the interview, no problem.

It makes me think of when I was looking into changing careers many years ago. I came across plenty of job listings requiring a 4 year college degree and other job listings that flatly said "Afraid of heights? Don't apply".

If any job listing required living car free and I wasn't already living car free, I'd look at other job listings.

Edit to add, another thought:

What if you get the LCF job and after a year, their building lease is up and they move 10 miles further from your home?

I remember a job I got in 1987, worked there 1 year and then the whole shop moved. I lived close to the original location, but did not live close to the new location. Good thing I was a motorcyclist at the time which allowed me to keep that job.

(BTW, is a full time motorcyclist Living Car Free?)
Imo, a motorcycle is a type of motor-vehicle, but technically so is an e-bike or e-scooter. I don't like motorcycles because they are loud, but I appreciate that many motorcyclists want to be noticed so they don't get killed by lane-changing drivers that didn't see them.

As for the job moving, I can imagine an employer saying they only want to hire people who live within five miles of the workplace and if you drive you're fired. Someone might ask for special consideration if they really like long distance commuting or have a transit system that can get them to work at that distance. People who want to drive to work would just complain about the requirement, though, and what's more there would be concerted political efforts to stop employers and/or local governments from making and enforcing rules that punish people for choosing driving over other modes. As I recall, there may have been some news stories some years ago about this kind of thing actually occurring, where some employers tried giving incentives to employees who biked to work, but then the employees ended up complaining about not qualifying for the incentives because they drove.

Anyway, the point is that it feels very unfair and discriminatory when you don't want to drive or own a car but some employer makes having and driving a car a condition for getting/keeping the job. M155's post bothered me because he quietly enjoys dropping facts like that, knowing that such discrimination would actively impact the life opportunities of car-free people and push us to drive or forego opportunities if we don't.

I just point out that what goes around comes around, and if he accepts such discrimination against LCFers for not driving, he can expect for himself or someone he cares about to experience similar discrimination at some point. It may not be because of driving or even directly related to transportation, but when it happens he will understand how it feels and how it feels when others are indifferent toward you or people you care about being blocked from opportunities because of life choices.

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