While super expensive, the Phil machine is a thing of beauty. I have a Hozan threader and while it is handy for making 1 or 2 spokes, cutting a whole set with it would be a royal pain in the ass. You also have to cut them down to the right length before threading. The Phil rolls and cuts them to the right length in one turn of the handle. The Phil machine is like their hubs......the Hozan one is like a Joy Tech in comparison.