I understand the issues involved with kickstands on bikes set up for touring with panniers or for trail use on mountain bikes. But I have two hybrid bikes, both equipped with racks and rack bags, and I have a combined 3,000 miles on them and neither has ever fallen from the kickstand even ONCE. I use them every time I ride, including every water break or stop I make, which is usually at least one per ride, or sometimes as many as three or more quick breaks if I'm doing a 20+ mile ride.

Yes, there are times that it takes me an extra 5-to-15 seconds for some kind of quick adjustment if I'm not on level ground, or for some other contingency. I'm guessing that if I weren't willing to adjust the orientation of the bike to the terrain or the specific situation (there goes THAT 10 seconds I'll never get back again! darn!) that I would have probably experienced some falls from the kickstand... also, I don't ride trails or with panniers, so there's that to consider.

I do usually have 2-3 water bottles (1 or 2 in bottle holders) and probably an average of 1 to 4 pounds of stuff in the rack bag, depending on situation and length of ride: extra water bottle, lock or locks/cable, patch kit, keys, spare tail light, spare head light, cell phone, etc.

To each their own. Whatever works for you. Kickstands work for me, big time. YMMV.