just for fun the Ny times take on this

FWIW.... I like steel and can't see carbon in my future I don't hate carbon, but it is a fact that when it fails it fails fast. Biggest issue is people not understanding the design limits of a super light racing frame (which are considered a consumable item by racing teams vs a possible life time frame for most users. I have no doubt that a carbon frame engineered to be a fast daily rider can last a good amount of time, with proper care.

and threadless stems are for the most part fugly

get off my lawn


https://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/27/s...JAuLrZ8-Fwl994