I'll have to go through my pics to find some frame examples, but here's a saddle example. A $5 Vetta from NW Hub. Very comfortable saddle, kind of an overstuffed Turbo with both beausage & patina. Treated the leather to preserve what's left. Put it on my Fisher Montare & Liked it well enough to locate one in near new condition. New one moves from bike to bike at present. Don