My old Hartail came with a Black. It felt miserable from the get-go. Squishy turns and whatnot. I considered myself lucky when I broke a seal and replaced it with a zochi. I've heard a lot of good things about the Shermans, but frankly, I don't care. I don't like Manitou trying to enforce new standards on the rest of the industry when they've been anything but receptive to new standards in the past. I think the OnePointFive standard has its merrits, but I would sooner go with the new 6" zochi. I don't mind losing a little more money to a company that I trust and I feel has good support.