lol The bikes are in the Philippines so for 70 pesos (about a $1.75) I have my bikes washed and meticulously detailed immediately after each ride - a necessity since my bikes live with me inside my Condo.

I am merely a roadie and low speed trail rider, nothing technical or high speed. As a kid from the late 60s, I prefer the looks and ride of steel bikes. Of my eight bikes, 5 are steel, 2 CF and one Ti/CF. I really like the ride characteristics, built quality and aesthetics of both, but probably favor the Marin 27.5 +, it just has a certain je ne sais quois. Thinking about converting the Krampus to a SS and putting narrower road tires on her.