Originally Posted by VtwinVince

I think you need to read what I typed. I believe that the quality of workmanship of what used to be considered high end, exclusive vehicles has gone by the boards over the past generation. Using water based paints, poor quality materials and sub par fitment are endemic to the marques I mentioned. And no, I don't hang around barber shops being a blowhard, maybe that's what you do. I have owned three Bimmers over the years, so I am not basing my opinions on hearsay. And where did I say 'child slave' labour? Regarding safety, putting a hundred airbags and multiple computer systems into a car do not make them safer, just more complex and prone to failure.