Originally Posted by Darth Lefty

Look, man, an LHT is not $2000 even brand new. And you're not sure that's what you want, either. Not everyone loves it, it sits really long and low unless you run a lot of spacers on a smaller frame. And the Ogre is running at a premium for its extra features like I mentioned, and both of them have an upcharge for brand cachet. If you like them there are cheaper options. REI has several steel touring, bikepacking, and heavy-commuting bikes in the same price range and they give you 10% back in REI-bux. Bikes Direct has things like this for $600 ish. You are going to spend a long time with whatever bike, do some test rides.