I disagree Japanese have moved on. just the keirin has a set standard. go to any place even to a keirin shop you see they are way up or beyond the times.
I'm happy keirin has this standard it shows steel is real ( a lovely craft).
Look at the road bikes most (really all) are today's style frames.
S/F,
CEYA
Last edited by Ceya; 02-09-06 at 08:41 PM.