Old 05-05-20 | 01:22 PM
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msamsen
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Bikes: Trek Madone Series 6, Marin Rift Zone 2, building a touring bike on a Salsa Marrakesh frame

Originally Posted by base2
The shifters & the derailleurs need to have matching pull ratios. Having a "group set" is just a convenient means of catagorizing use cases.

Shimano 8,9,10 speed road/mountain rear derailleurs are interchangeable. Most people make the switch to mountain rear derailleurs for the additional capacity & larger mountain cogs. So the "9" of the 3x9 shifters I suggested is a "Go."

The front derailleurs are not always interchangeable. There are definite road fronts & mountain fronts. It depends on the vintage & group set. Others here would have more authority on the specifics than me. What I do know is it's easiest to match the front derailleur to the front shifter & save the compatibility trouble.

In this case, you specify you want a road brifter. So: road Claris, Sora, 105, or Ultegra, "triple" derailleurs are your options. All ought to work with the "3" of the 3x9 shifters I suggested above. So you are a "Go" there as well.

The crankset is built around a particular bottom bracket width. The spacing between the rings & chainline is the same. The primary difference is mountain has a smaller tooth counts across the board. But a tooth or 2 difference in gear diameter is insignificant as far as derailleur height/cage curvature is concerned. So buy the triple crankset that suits your fancy.

Where you often run into fitment issues is puting doubles on (68mm) mountain frames...They exist, & there is a lot out there. The larger diameter rings or narrower crank arm q-factor sometimes causes issues hitting the chain stays. It's seldom an issue going the other way.

If you have an issue with the triple road crank arms from a triple road crankset hitting the chainstays, you may be forced into a mountain triple crankset to move the pedals/crankarms wider...but I don't think that'll be an issue.

Thanks again for all the helpful info.

I guess I wasn’t complete with my design criteria. Here are some more parameters...

I was hoping to go with the GRX brifters, hydraulic disc brakes, and sub-levers. The choice of GRX is driven by the new ergonomics of the pivot point. If I’m unwilling to go to a different group to get a triple, then I’m limited to a 1X or 2X FD. I suppose I could compromise here as I’ve ridden Ultegra for years on my roadbike.

The Marrakash frame simply does not accommodate a road 2X according to Salsa. They say, "...neither the 48/31 or 46/30 GRX cranks will work on the Marrakesh frame. Both the big ring and the crank arms will either directly contact the frame or be close enough to the chainstay that we cannot safely recommend it. The Marakesh frame would have been designed specifically with MTB cranks in mind..."
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