Unrealistic idiots that they may be, that was what dominated the discussion here and on every forum on which they came up. I believe it was here someone said "back when I got flats, meaning before I went tubeless...". This was usually followed by statements that this is why it was idiotic to run tubes. I suspect it may depend on the nature of flats in an area. There is one particular true believer on another forum who insists every flat is user error.

Regardless, there is a change in tone around it this year.