Finally got to try a pair of Przewalski 4D, 3/4 length, cycling bibs, size 2XL. After all the good reviews I read about Przelwalski, I really wanted to like these bibs. There's a lot I do like (the material, fit, leg grippers shoulder traps). except for one thing. The pad needs to be moved forward about 2". As is, it's too far back and doesn't cover any pressure points you want it to, at least for me. 6'2", 198lbs. Most of the other less than favorable reviews on Amazon also mention this. Ended up returning them. Sigh.