Originally Posted by spelger

OK, quick link is likely not the problem. just weird that most of the time it has been near by but this is why i ask. i would have been surprised really since they are nothing new, just new to me.

but to answer your questions...the chain drops onto the crank when going from middle to large chain ring. yes, i did shorten the chain, removed about 3-4 links. measured out on a table against what was taken off and compared link for link in order to keep the link count the same.

i'll just spend more time adjusting. i'm on the big ring a lot so this gives me great incentive to get it right.