Sorry about that what I m trying to say is I have a Marin Rock Spring 2 that I've had for almost 2 years and have only recently ridden it. It has the same saddle that it came with when I bought it. I where shorts with padding in it and it is hard to say how much I ride a trip because this is a old hobby that I have picked up literally a week ago. As for the pain; it is in there area you take a number two out of.