Originally Posted by
scarlson
"uh, pretty" is how a lot of people describe them!
I just like brake obscura. Sorry for hijacking the thread!
I wasn't being sarcastic; I think they are beautiful. I love industrial design where the structure of the item shows. And everyone loves drillium!
And always happy to see new designs and suggestions so no worries on hijacking at all.
Originally Posted by
old's'cool
At the risk of derailling the thread, for me, cycling is about going, not stopping.
Yes, but in traffic I really need strong brakes that clamp NOW without any issues. As I've stated, my present brakes aren't bad but I just want more than I need as I find myself really having to squeeze the levers much harder than I would like. This is strictly from the hoods as from the drops, I can squeeze much harder and quicker. Yes, I am being picky but if dual pivots offer more power (which from this thread I'd say they do) then I want a part of it!
Originally Posted by
robertorolfo
I have experience with a few of the options you are speaking about. I have a pair of monoplaners on my Loto, using newish but original spec Campagnolo pads and stopping on nearly brand new rims. Stopping power is excellent from the drops, and pretty good from the hoods (but I'm using older style levers that aren't as ergonomic as yours). Good pads and rims make a big difference.
I also have skeleton dual pivots on a couple of my bikes (silver Potenzas on my
PR, black Chorus on my Aegis), and they stop brilliantly. Both are using stock Campagnolo pads and gripping rims that are in good shape. With Ergo levers, they have more than enough power from the hoods and the drops.
Some people here seem absolutely obsessed with Kool Stop pads, but I'm sure Campagnolo and Shimano stock pads are just as good, if not better. I'd say the most important factors are clean/good rims and the appropriate pads.
Thanks for the insight. I did notice a substantial difference when I switched to Kool Stops. They just grab quicker and offer more force with less effort. But my Campy pads were the 90's originals so I'm sure they've improved their pads in 30 years. Of course, the first few stops are the best whereas now that I've had them awhile, it's hard to notice. Ahh, the human brain: so fraught with subjective ideas....
Originally Posted by
Choke
Those will not fit the newer Campy calipers. Well, they will fit but not properly; the bolt on the newer Campy holders is a larger diameter so those holders will be loose in the slot. The newer Campy holders also won't fit your Athena, unless you want to enlarge the slot which would be a lot of work.
However, those Shimano style holders will fit your Athena calipers. The bolt on your Athena holder is just a hair larger, so in practice it doesn't make any difference. I use that style holder on all of my vintage brakes and I have been very happy with them. And FWIW, I have tried the SwissStop blue pads but I liked the black ones better.
Thanks so much for that info. Exactly what I needed.
But why didn't you like the Blues compared with the Blacks?
Also, when did Campy change to the newer style? And is it across the board or just the Super Record, Record and top tier groups? The SwissStop site is a bit confusing. Well, here's what it says the Race Pro (Campy fitment) fits:
FITS
- CAMPA 10|11|12 sp
- CAMPA Record DM
DOES NOT FIT
- CAMPA Potenza - 2016 and newer
- CAMPA Athena - 2016 and newer
- CAMPA Veloce - 2016 and newer
- CAMPA Centaur - 2017 and newer
- CAMPA Direct DM
So is everything lower tier Campy before 2016 compatible with the Flash Fulls pictured above?