If the intent of the discussion is aimed at opinions about frames with cantilever brakes...mine is that I don't care for them. I'd never ridden or used CL brakes until very recently. The college aged kid of a neighbor friend...who I actually got into cycling as off-season training for his varsity sport at school (he's on the Yale Rowing squad)...asked me to give his bike a 'once over' before he headed back to school. It's a road bike with CL brakes. He'd asked me specifically to "check and adjust the brakes." I put it on the work stand, and adjusted them to the same tolerance I do for caliper brakes. When I finished, and took it for a short ride down the block...WHOA!!! What the hell is that shudder!?!?!? I mean it's scary, and so prevalent that using the front brakes isn't comforting. Looking into it more...including here in the BFs...I discovered that it's inherent to the design. Only changing to smaller pads reduced it enough to be able to use the front brakes lightly to slow down in turns. Otherwise it's all rear braking. Then I discovered that a shorter cable stop arm greatly reduces the shudder to the point they can be used more regularly. Unfortunately there wasn't time before the kid's departure for school to effect the repair. So, it'll be done when he brings the bike home from school. Anyway...I just don't care for that style. Maybe if I was a 'cross rider I'd find them more appealing.


Also...concur with the sentiments a above about cyclist vs. biker. WRT those who ride mountain bikes...I dunno. I just know that "bikers" are the people who ride motorcycles. Maybe mountain/cyclo/gravel/BMX cyclists should just be called 'riders.'

Dan