I've owned older kg381 and kg461 frames and two 585 models. They are very well made. I tried buying the newer 785 Huez or 785 Huez RS, but couldn't get a deal that I was happy with. The 785 is only sold as a complete bike with shimano, so it's not cost effective to buy the bike, strip it and sell the parts. The RS is sold as a frame only and retails for around $4,000. I'm too old to need a frame priced that high, but 13-14 years ago, I did pay $3,000 for a special edition 585 frame.

My latest acquisition is a Cinelli superstar disc frame for just over $1000 from nashbar. It's got an excellent paint job and weighs about the same as a 585 or the standard 785. It will build up to be a well priced complete bike.