Originally Posted by
livedarklions
"Everyone here" could fit into a phone booth. The vast majority of bicyclists will give you a blank stare if you refer to VC techniques.
He spent several decades discrediting himself. And seriously, you do realize that LAB training was disowned by him because nobody wanted to read that damn book and suffer through 30 hours. They scrapped his program in the 1980s.
Sorry if I don't want to credit your tin idol with inventing the safety bicycle, but I'm not practicing VC technique. I'm mostly FRAP, and love me some smooth shoulder. Now do me the favor of not telling me what I think, I really suspect you don't understand just how annoying your condescension is.
And finally, no I'm not limiting myself to discrediting Forester, I'm discrediting pretty much anyone who's holding themselves out as some sort of safety guru. I'm pretty sure that includes you at this point.
Mr. ldl, my friend. This is not the first post where you made unfounded accusations against me. I will continue to ignore and stay on topic.
Actual on road VC techniques were still in the LAB course after the JF/LAB divorce. I know this because I took the course since then. I don’t believe you have.
Also, Frap and VC are not exclusive or incompatible. Cyclists are permitted to ride left of the roadway edge for a variety of reasons. Sometimes the center of the lane is FRAP, both practically and legally. It’s written right into the laws! But I’m pretty sure you already knew this.
Your refusal to acknowledge VC as VC by name is telling but doesn’t change established facts. VC is (still) a real thing. VC techniques are well documented and indisputable. Some cyclists may use them even without knowing it, yes, but training is widely available (even more so today thanks to the internet) and can certainly quicken the learning curve. There’s good reason VC is still around 40 plus years later, and that’s because it works.