Iride01 Thanks for weighing in. Your comment about the rear of the saddle makes sense so I will give that a try when I switch the saddles. Also I can see where you would make your comment about handlebars. I am not sure I necessarily agree with you but what you wrote does make sense. For me I spend 96% of my time riding on the brake hoods on my Road Bike so I think I will make my measurement to the area where the brifter meets the handlebar. My Hybrid has a flat bar so that is not as critical.

Thanks again for your thoughts and I hope your 2001 is a better year for you than 2020 was.