The Brooks Champion Flyer is another that I own. Feels just like the B17 to me except with a bit of squish in the rear end of the saddle (as opposed to just the middle like on the B17, owing to the slight "sling" effect). I can choose either saddle depending on what kind of riding I know I'm going to be doing. For road-riding, I go with the B-17 but for the longer and rougher rides, I use the Flyer. The only drawback is that the Flyer looks a tad strange on my hardtail mountain bike: black frame, big fat knobby black tires, silver/black Marzocchi suspension fork... "grandpa" seat with springs.