Originally Posted by philbob57

Braze-ons are relatively new. My 1973 British production frame has a 'gear lever stop' underneath the downtube and a cable stop on the drive-side chainstay for the RDER cable. No cable guide under BB - manufacturers made metal cable guides that attached to DT or perhaps ST. No braze-ons for water bottles. This was true for all the bikes I bought, but I haven't bought a bike or frame since 1981.

The damned cable guides can rust and get very ugly.