I have the very dark brown wall version of the Gatorskins by Conti in 28c and like them a lot for the mountain curvy roads if Tennessee. Very sticky to the road. I like Vittoria Models too, but these Conti tires and their GP5000's are really nice. Tubes, Conti and Salsa used to have a lighter butyl versions that lasted well enough and we're 2/3's the weight.