As mentioned elsewheres, gugie and I go back, way back, least 20 pounds ago (in my own case, can't speak to anyone else's degradation). And prior to his even starting in on drawings, let alone fabricazione!, we had many upon many discussions about this future Rohloffer frame, that RBW rightly would not touch. Though to be honest, Fitz in Santa Rosa was ready to touch but when I heard my good friend, who spoke at my wedding, and me at his, was pronounced a Graduate cumma some loudly of the International Brotherhood of FrameMakers Guild, PDX affiliation, I said sure, What Could Possibly Go Wrong?

The Hellenic Stays and their complementary Gugificazione! lug were a perfect example of the Function over Form approach to Engineering problems he and I have embraced since, well, 1992, if not before.

True, he might look a bit fruity at times...



But this man knows how to braze the lugs!



Er, well, he knows how to kiss the ladies, let's just say. Mooving right along... the frame issues were discussed, vetted, argued over, and both parties were happy with the resolution.



My only comment, after riding the freshly painted (in RBG and RWB Cream) frame is that the seat stays gently graze my flabby thighs. Not that that's a problem, right?