Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 1,808
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From: Denver area (Ken Caryl Valley)
Bikes: 2022 Moots RCS, 2014 BMC SLR01 DA Mech, 2020 Santa Cruz Stigmata, Ibis Ripmo, Trek Top Fuel, Specialized Epic Pro, Pivot Les Fat
I use winter tights WITH the chamois. I have several (but pricey that way) that I can rotate. When I double up (and I do have one without the pad) it feels too tight and often too hot since we climb a lot here.